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is a minimum. we may never know the answer to that and they may never be charged. but i think that we're all thinking more expansively based on these new findings while these details we learned, they are just terrific, but we certainly appreciate you, casey jordan and your insights into this. thank you so much always great to be here. thanks for joining us. the news continues next property now president biden marks 80 years since the d-day invasion by warning that democracy is more at risk now than at any time since world war ii defense secretary lloyd austin is with the president an...

with wolf blitzer in this situation now, president biden marks 80 years since the d-day invasion by warning that democracy is more at risk now than any time since world war ii. >> defense secretary lloyd austin is with the president and france and joins us to discuss urgent global hotspots and threats right here at all. also tonight, donald trump just return to the campaign trail for the first time as a convicted felon he is appealing to voters and a pivotal battleground state. and playing up the 34 guilty verdicts against him and former trump adviser steve bannon is lashing out afte...

Gaza, president biden told cnn in an interview, he won't supply the weapons to israel if israel goes into rafah. >> now israeli troops are in rafah, but you call this a limited operation, is the us moving the goal posts? so the president doesn't have to enforce chris what has been described as this red line we're not moving the goal post will fight. >> i think we've been clear that if they conduct a major operation for the gut into gaza and to our offer, the kind that we saw and guys will city and other places earlier, the nets that's a problem so what we've asked him to do is move the civilia...

That they're reducing the number of civilian casualties have been way too many civilian casualties throughout this war and move the civilians out of the battlespace before conducting significant maneuver and i don't think accomplishing objectives and protecting civilians or mutually exclusive endeavors. i think you can do both. we've demonstrated that and i think happy to do that. i think that the way that you ensure long-term success is by making sure that you take the other civilian population strip them away. eventually stripped them away from hamas and demonstrate that hamas does not equal...

Rafah. but you call this a little minute operation. is the us moving the goalposts. so the president doesn't have to enforce what has been described as this red line we're not moving. >> go paul's wolf, i think we've been clear that if they conduct a major operation into the gut, into gaza and to our offer the kind that we saw in guys will city and other places earlier. then that's that's a problem. so what we've asked him to do is move the civilians out of the battlespace to be more precise in terms of their operations and limit the amount of collateral damage. and so far they've maneuvered a...