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Broadcast, you have all of this data being passed to a firm that seems to use really underhanded tactics to get what it wants or talks about using those tactics. >> was it stolen? >> is that the difference? did the information that the people freely gave up for use of the obama campaign, in this case, the information was stolen and metastasized, they not only took your information but all your facebook colleagues, everybody you knew, they grabbed all that, too. was that a theft? that's a tough question. >> i want to be clear, at the time this was completely in agreement with facebook's terms. ...

Cambridge analytica, scl, were never supposed to be part of the equation. as soon as facebook found out they were, as soon as they were alerted by the media, they told cambridge, told scl and the researcher, get rid of this d a data. what the new reporting is suggesting is that didn't necessarily happen. >> they still have it, don't they? the trump people have the 50 million people's profiles. >> i want to be clear, the trump campaign says that during the campaign, they were working with republican national committee data. they had cambridge analytica data analysts in their office, but the dat...

Consultants, everybody, and in some sinense, we feel like we o d.c. and -- >> do they meet? >> no. >> they don't meet? they don't have meetings? >> i think it's a culture. in this case, i think there is a group within some of the bureaucrats that were pro-obama, pro-hillary who believe -- >> you belief tve the fbi is invested with liberals? >> i believe there are people who feel the last election was a mistake. >> the fbi? >> i believe there are people within the fbi -- >> ten days before the election they announced hillary clinton's under investigation again. >> right. all the democrats were ...

Formed a strategy. >> steve bannon who's co-founder of cambridge analytica as i said introduced the ceo, alexander nix, to the trump campaign. the firm was officially hired by jared kushner in june of 2016. the company provided trump ca campaign with data, polling and research services. in a statement cambridge analytica denied its or its affilia affiliates, quote, entrapments, bribes bribes, or so-called hunti ing traps. says we're proudly absurd, proud of the work we did and spoken to forums on what we believe is our contribution to the campaign. the board of cambridge analytica suspended ce...

Or what that tells you, who likes whatever, chocolate cake over devil's food, whatever, angel food. i don't know what these things do, but they somehow tell you how you're going to vote. we thought that was fun and great. now what's the difference here? >> i think we're in "a," a different time with regard to tech companies. i think the public discourse around big tech is changing in part because we saw how these tech platforms were used and abused during the 2016 election. the other difference with what the obama campaign did is at least when they were taking all this data, which they were, y...