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People. we know that he is obsessed with this type of intrigue. and then there was this from the president of the united states. >> it was a well known project. it was during the early part of '16 and i guess even before that. it lasted a short period of time. i didn't do the project. i decided not to do the project, so i didn't do it. >> now, again, this was exposure of a lie. he told you he had no dealings with russia. that was a lie. he had dealings with russia. he had them when he told you he did not have them. now he's explaining the deal. he's explaining what he lied about. and in his an...

Enough to talk to him honestly. we've had this conversation off the air. sycophants, that's a word closer to selfishness and self-preservation. >> that's what he wants. ayers was a kid who was seen as being gung-ho, smart and he won't be a a -- a problem. >> the kid made a fortune in the private sect or. he had a good political operating skill set and the president enjoyed that. by the way, people like jared and ivanka talk honestly to the president. the president needs somebody that is not going to alter their behavior when he enters the room. the president needs somebody that does not need t...