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Abandoned the trump administration. he had to get out because of cases like the case of mr. wheeler the acting epa head. he worked on the coal ash rules when he was a coal lobbyist for murray energy and he's working on the coal ash rules in the epa . and on issue after issue, the same thing. it's the revolving door. mr. bernhardt, who jim mentions as a poster boy of ethics has to carry a card with him. he has almost two dozen conflicts because of his special interest baggage. anderson, it is the opposite of swamp-draining. our government is being held captive by special interests. this is not ...

Interest runaway riding the revolving door. it's the opposite of swamp draining. >> jim, i'll ask you the same question. is this draining the swamp? >> look, we have -- this administration has appointed very qualified people to these posts. for instance, acting secretary be be bernhardt, they go through a process and you know better, norm, to say they have conflicts of interest that may be causing them to not be able to do their jobs. they have ethics agreements that require recusals. they have to go through a stringent process with oge and oge with the career folks that review this take a loo...