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Voters is a fascinating question. enthusiasm isn't one of the questions asked when we measure likely voters. we use seven questions we've tweaked including questions about knowing where people vote or how you vote, if you vote by mail. how much attention you pay to the campaign, how much thought you've given, how certain you are to voting your own self definition and your history of voting, which we take into account for young people. we put that together and isolate likely voters. it can be susceptible to the environment but that's the whole event. if events in the environment cause one group...

They start getting pounded? because as i've said before, 1968, lbj didn't lose new hampshire, he lost the expectations game. 1992, george h.w. bush didn't come close to losing to pat buchanan, but he lost the expectations game and the headlines game and it haunted him throughout the campaign. what's that number for mitt romney? >> i think he can survive with lower than 38%, but if he clears 38%, he goes to south carolina with more momentum -- >> what about second? >> depends where second is. if the person who is second can take advantage of finishing second. rick santorum finished second in io...

Think you can beat expectations, pat buchanan beat dole here and then didn't take advantage of it. you've got to take advantage of a strong showing. >> who's in the position, john, to take advantage of the strong showing against romney? >> well, going to the questions of expectations and how the media and others interpret what's going to happen, i think the most fascinating thing about the huntsman -- possibility of a huntsman second place is there's really an audience of one in the country who is going to evaluate how jon huntsman did here who matters more than anybody else and that's jon hun...