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Conversation? the american public, they're not crying for changes in medicare and medicaid. >> no they're not. >> dissolving it, getting rid of it. social security should be under attack. harry reid said weeks ago there is no serious problem with social security. >> social security and the deficit should not be in one sentence. now, this country's not broke. we're a rich country. what is broke and bankrupt is so much of the debate inside washington. you just had two good democrats on. they see the problems. but until we've reset the debate and president obama must take leadership and not legit...

Our fiscal house in order. >> joining me now is the editor/publisher of "the nation" magazine. great to have you with us. >> thank you, ed. >> this is another defining moment where the white house has to stand up. why is social security even on the table for discussion? >> you got me. i mean, you got three pillars of middle class security under siege by paul ryan and his cruel republican budget and now you have a white house which is putting revenue on the table. this is good, talking about raising taxes on the richest, taking on the loaded defense budget, but social security, ed, is a social ...

Strength in medicare and medicaid. we got a debate in this country that is completely skewed. >> i'm just afraid that this might take on the path of health care, that universal health care was never discussed at the table. the public option was just a bargaining chip that was never really serious, a serious venture, and so here we go. we'll throw social security out there. the democratic base sooner or later is going to damn near revolt on this. >> it's more than the democratic base. social security is a program that has brought dignity and security to millions of americans. what is insane pol...

Standards, ed. i think the good part of yesterday was having that kind of passionate debate. i've got all kind of e-mails today. people agreeing, people disagreeing. whatever. the fact that we are having the discussion makes not only the black community strong but america strong because there is no easy answers to this. >> i think about jerry falwell and the moral majority back in the '70s. there was a stated agenda. why don't all the african-american groups in this country, the advocacy groups get together and just have a stated black agenda? why not? >> i think the attempt we had this week a...

We're not going to touch social security. we need to rebuild our social contract. we need to tax too much of what we have, financial speculation, concentration of wealth, and we need to invest in too little of what we have -- education, infrastructure, more security for the working poor, the middle class. >> he's got the trend with him. it would seem he could easily make the case to the american people that their economic plan is working. job creation is going in the right place. and this is with the financial sector sitting on all these assets and not getting a whole heck of a lot of help. >>...