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We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so. either approach would be a radical reordering of our case law, limiting the federal court's involvement in criminal investigations. and both would violate bedrock separation of powers limitations. joining me is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, and joyce, thank you very much. really appreciate you being here. i do have the ruling here, but i also have something even...

President always uses, right, is delay. it's not expected that he would succeed but even if he appeals and loses that could delay this just a little bit longer. >> and renato, sometimes when you get to the appellate level they will say this is a tough call. it was a tough call, but here's where we see it. these three judges saw no tough call. we cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant nor can we write one that allows only former presidents to do so, that would be a radical rewriting of our case law. b...

Is going to be quick, does this have to go to the full house for a vote if they do decide to send a criminal referral, like a criminal contempt charge? >> yes, it would have to go to the full house to be voted on before it could be taken as a step. >> it will be interesting if republicans got on board with this, these times have changed certainly so that would be different. let's talk about the 11th circuit and the ruling last night. as i read it, and i, they're saying that the law is clear, that, let me read it to you. we cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to bloc...