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Apt, not necessarily a direct threat to resign, but that's what we're being told is it was more of a subtle thing like, hey, look, i'm going to bring my own people here in here at my o pace, if you want it done faster, maybe you should find somebody else. chris wray goes way back with comey and mueller. during the bush administration when there was a controversy over surveillance, comey and mueller were threatening to resign and wray said he wanted to jump with them. so it's -- >> can i just hit pause there? because i was on the white house staff. let's remind people what this was because this...

Media for taking trump's words out of context, she did not deny, when she was asked, point-blank, did he say that exact -- that word, that phrase, about him know whag ing what hed up for -- >> how do we know what that meant, though? >> we don't. another thing she said was honest about general kelly being in the room, that general kelly and others in the room felt that the president conveyed best he could his empathy and condolences. so that may be a true statement. it's just that the president's best in terms of trying to convey empathy may not have been good enough for -- >> senator, so many ...

Institutionalists as well. it's tough to be an institutionalist with an incoming administration as ed correctly points out, that was designed to break furniture. >> and we have a pattern here emerging, even though it's just nine days in, which is the president versus expertise. the president versus professional state department foreign service officers. the president versus professional cia officers. the president sewiowing chaos ag those for border patrol. if you don't accept facts and you don't accept expertise, you're not going to be able to manage national security crises, real national se...