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Belts, which people to say, everybody wears a seat belt, but they're not wearing seat belts. they're using their cell phones. they're engaging in behaviors that not only put themselves at risk but everybody else out there. so there is this disregard and it's like this lack of civility has really carried over onto the roadway system, and we're paying for it. we're paying for it with lives. families are, you know, losing loved ones at numbers we have not seen in decades. and it is so frustrating to all of us in traffic safety because we were making gains, and now we're going backwards. >> i'm su...

Studies done in other industries and other areas to see if this is happening across society. i think it will probably show that it is. one expert told the l.a. times and i quote here that i fear we have adopted really unsafe driving habits and they are going to persist. our roads are less safe than they were prepandemic. another said we might decide what does a seat belt or another beer matter anyway when we're in the middle of a pandemic? is this type of behavior going to out last the pandemic do you think? >> we hope not because we had been seeing tremendous gains happening prior to the pand...