Wasn't known. it's interesting in the context of her running against the president, exactly if this will be a factor or not. but one of the things we learned early on, and she learned early on, is that people were hanging on every word he said. and people were paying attention. >> and this is -- had is a process that extends past hillary clinton, but i think it's largely true for everyone, this extends to mitt romney, i think it was true in some ways and barack obama, i remember you were the one who asked barack obama about skip gates at a press conference. getting stopped outside his house, h...