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Climate change and income inequality and eliminating all industrial greenhouse omissions and paying for it by raising taxes on the most wealthy to rate of 60 to 70% in an interview in cbs60 minutes ocasio-cortez welcomes the label of being radical. >> i think that it only has ever been radical for the change of this country, abraham lincoln made the radical decision to sign the emancipation declaration and roosevelt the radical decision to embark on programs like social security, that's radical. >> republicans and president trump lowered the top tax rate to 37% so ocasio-cortez's plan would do...

1972 at the age of 63 the godfather of modern day rabble rousing known as community organizing. >> saul alinsky was in your face and brought it to bear on urban problems, on the problems of urban disempourered communities in the 1930s and '40s in the united states. >> with chicago's archdiocese, alinsky rallied ethnic catholics and later he was made hero to counterculture of '60s. in the 1971 manifesto "rules for radicals" alinsky said, "prince" was written by machiavelli on haves. and rules for radicals written for have-nots and how to take it away. >> what alinsky meant by "radical" is someb...

Rhetorically, he's far far right burt when push comes to shove, he's in the mushy middle. he didn't get run out of washington by us in '98 because, pat, he was a fire breather, he got run out of washington because he kept cutting deals with democrats, and they attacked us for being too conservative fiscally. what's his game here, pat? >> i don't understand this, joe. i can't think of a prominent republican nationally who is coming out for a national individual mandate, the obama position. >> attacking paul ryan. >> paul ryan as being radical, john heilemann, what's his game. you know gingrich....

Real good chance of getting support from other republican governors across the country right now. for being bold, being radical, and not backing down and doing exactly what the hard right-wingers in this country want. they want to go after unions. they want to go after public employees. what is the upside in the right wing for governor walker, in your opinion? >> well, governor walker is clearly running for the presidency. be it in 2012 or 2016. he's telegraphed that in every way. he's referenced ronald reagan in that fake call with one of the supposed koch brothers. he has celebrated the fact...

Are thrown out by the courts. they are ruled illegal. and the fact of the matter is, i spoke tonight to lawyers, and to legislators, who pointed out that notice was not received by legislators and by key players in the time period that was required. so we clearly -- every lawyer i spoke to tonight said there's clearly a case for taking this law into court, and having it thrown out. >> john nichols, i want to ask you one question about governor scott walker. it seems to me that he stands a real good chance of getting support from other republican governors across the country right now. for bein...