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thinner and thinner versions of it all the time. they're still troubling, but they seem to me very watered down versions of what was being quarrelled over in 1860. and i want to try to remind myself to remember both things, that you can't take it for granted, you have to fight back against it when you see it deployed again. because the confederate story feels a little bit like some vampire story. you know, scholars keep driving a stake through its heart and saying no, this is really about slavery, and it doesn't matter. it just keeps coming back up as not about slavery. >> listen to ...

guess the premise of all this, it's the political projects that have been pervasive over the last 150 years which find useful material in the story of the lost cause that i think propels it forward and makes scholars sometimes relatively marginal in the conversation, because it's being driven by political projects of huge import. i'm reminded of the film "the birth of a nation." the character, ben cameron, right, ben cameron is a hero of the clansmen. one of the great unknown features of american constitutional history is ben cameron is modelled by a guy named rufus bratton, which is...