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Of times in american history when the president and the congress do not agree on funding the budget and there is a gap. but the question really arises why have we seen this so much especially in the last 30, 40 years or so. what happened was 1980, jimmy carter was president. his second attorney general was a guy named ben sililetti. he handed down a ruling which is if there is a funding gap even if brief you're going to violate the law if you keep agencies open. you've got to furlough employees. that's why we began to see these things in the 1980s. the other development that made a big differe...

Been way more government shutdowns than we think just because we don't remember most of them because a lot of them are ephemeral and pointless? >> yeah, there have been a lot of times in american history when the president and the congress do not agree on funding the budget and there is a gap. but the question really arises why have we seen this so much especially in the last 30, 40 years or so. what happened was 1980, jimmy carter was president. his second attorney general was a guy named ben sililetti. he handed down a ruling which is if there is a funding gap even if brief you're going to v...