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But yes, he will testify if it comes to a proceeding that comey told him exactly what he said he said and the defense attorney will say, isn't it true, mr. mccabe, that you were found to have committed misconduct? isn't it true that you were fired, et cetera, et cetera? and that impeachment will have whatever value it has in front of a jury. it's true, as ben and ruth says, that part of what's going on, we obviously don't know exactly what he did and it's odd that horwitz found these things. i think it's secondary next to two points. whatever he did, the timing of his being railroaded out is i...

Answered questions as truthfully and accurately as i could. when i thought my answers were misunderstood i contacted investigators to correct them. but looking at that in isolation completely misses the big picture. the pig picture is a tail of what can happen when law enforcement is politicized, public servants are attacked. and people become instruments for damaging institutions and people. i want to get your reaction to that much of andrew mccabe's statement, harry litman. >> it's true and tragic. first on mccabe, the broader story as ben and ned say is one of exemplary public service, resp...

To it at this first stage of this knew and i'm going to zero in on the sentences in which andrew mccabe is directly dealing with what must be in that inspector general's report. he says, during these inquiries i answered questions truthfully and as accurately as i could amidst the kay yosz that surrounded me, and when i thought my answers were misunderstood, i contacted investigators to correct them. when we get to read the report, i suggest there will be several pages that describe what andrew mccabe is describing there and we'll have to hold one against the other. >> two things can be true, ...

>> by the way, lauren by the if i can say, it's what he did with respect to the clinton investigation when he said it was extremely careless of her. it may be that horwitz will also impugn comey in his broader report. >> joining the discussion is ben wettes, he knows t some of the players involved in this, including james comey. your reaction to attorney general jeff sessions firing former acting director of the fbi, andrew mccabe two days before his official retirement date? >> i'm very saddened by it and i wish very much that the resolution of this had been otherwise for the sake of everybod...