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With impeachment material. but yes, he will testify if it comes to a proceeding that comey told him exactly what he said he said and the defense attorney will say, isn't it true, mr. mccabe, that you were found to have committed misconduct? isn't it true that you were fired, et cetera, et cetera? and that impeachment will have whatever value it has in front of a jury. it's true, as ben and ruth says, that part of what's going on, we obviously don't know exactly what he did and it's odd that horwitz found these things. i think it's secondary next to two points. whatever he did, the timing of hi...

>> by the way, lauren by the if i can say, it's what he did with respect to the clinton investigation when he said it was extremely careless of her. it may be that horwitz will also impugn comey in his broader report. >> joining the discussion is ben wettes, he knows t some of the players involved in this, including james comey. your reaction to attorney general jeff sessions firing former acting director of the fbi, andrew mccabe two days before his official retirement date? >> i'm very saddened by it and i wish very much that the resolution of this had been otherwise for the sake of everybod...

Be very difficult to justify. and that said, i will reserve judgment until i see what the inspector general has said and what i see -- whenever i see andy has responded to that so i understand what the parameters of the dispute really are. >> the only response we have from andrew mccabe at this point is a comment he made to the "new york times" tonight, he said the idea i was dishonest is just wrong, this is part of an effort to discredit me as a witness. ben, wittes he means as a witness in the mueller investigation. >> it is a witness at least on the question of corroborating jim comey's cla...

Director comey's accounts of his discussions with the president. the oig's focus on me and this report became a part of an unprecedented effort by the administration driven by the president himself, to remove me from my position, destroy my reputation, and strip me of a pension i worked 21 years to earn. the accelerated release of the report and the punitive actions taken make sense only when viewed through this lens, thursday's comments from the white house are just the latest example of this. this attack on my credibility is one part of a larger effort not just to slander me personally but t...

We know from what director comey has said, written, he shared his encounters. the encounters where president trump may have attempt today obstruct justice. he shared those encounters with a small group of people, all of whom have been sidelined or fired. in the case of andy mccabe, he, of course, was sidelined weeks ago, and now his firing, i suspect as andy mccabe himself is saying was to undermine his credibility as a fact witness, as ben was alluding to. the other thing we have tomorrow is we have not heard from the inspector general. we have heard from jeff sessions, the attorney general. ...