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Had said he shared those encounters, those encounters where president trump may have attempted to obstruct justice, he share said those encounters with a small group of people. all of whom have now been either side lined or fired. and in the case of any mccabe he, of course, was sides lined weeks ago and now his firing as andrew mccabe was saying to undermine his credibility as a fact witness. the other thing we have to allude to is we haven't heard from michael horowitz, the is inspector general. we have heard from jeff sessions, the attorney general. and we don't have to go back in history t...

This was coming, hat his time was up. but the state department it seems in a bit of candor that actually led to this individual's firing said this completely took him by surprise. so i'm not sure we can give this fuel credence and credibility knowing jeff sessions has squ d squandered a lot of his credibility. >> there's also an issue of proportionality. we're not talking about andrew mccabe having paid someone off not to tell a story. we're not talking about him having screwed up cases at the fbi. we're talking about how to deal with an effort to a journalist that was wrong. so the story is t...

Some degree set up or -- and he certainly indicates he believes he was trying to make the record as accurate as possible. >> and describes in his first round of trying to remember truthful answers about this, he says he was doing the best he could amidst the chaos that surrounded me. and i think we all have a feel for what that must be been. we're joined now by phone by jill winebanks, and she's an msnbc contributor. jill, i wish you could be on camera so we could see your st. patrick's green you were wearing. first we began simply with the fact that jeff sessions approximately 10:00 p.m. toni...

Investigation, that would have a discrediting effect in the context of a different investigation. whether it's justifiable or not, of course, depends on the evidence that the public doesn't have access to right now. >> andrew mccabe has apparently just released a statement tonight. it's a rather lengthy one. i will try to read some of it. actually, i'm going to start reading it and then, price, give us your reaction again to the possibility that this is actually, the timing of this is related to mueller investigation because andrew mccabe is obviously a witness in that investigation. as ben wi...

Lawrence. one is the the article itself says that the fbi officials that talked to the journal reporter who, by the way, is named -- at "the washington post" and is a very smart guy, the story says the fbi pushed back at that suggestion that they were trying to drag their feet, that they thought there was something to the clinton foundation investigation. so mccabe has come under a lot of criticism from the president, from republicans in congress who thought he was too favorable to hillary clinton in the e-mail investigation. but the statement that was given to "the wall street journal" is def...