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Problem, that it is hard to criticize ben carson. we all know the saying, it is not brain surgery. well, it turns out the guy is a brain surgeon, and so good luck to say he is not talented or smart enough or has the energy. >> and it is not just that, kevin, but trump called him an okay surgeon, and he is beyond that, i think that everyone can agree on that. what do you think about donald trump really attacking ben carson. why is he doing that? is there any really strategy behind it, i think? >> well, i don't try to equate anything to the strategy with donald trump, and ana made the best point...

And now, we have seen ben carson jump up to 17% support, and that is very different from july poll, and now the third place finisher now is ohio governor john kasich who is the only other candidate at double-digits, but he is not an outside er, and trump and carson have been riding the wave of the interest of votership as o outside outsiders, and kasich has held political office. >> and so, now, athena, when it comes to the pack of favorable candidates how does jeb bush fare. >> well, the gop voters seem to like the retired brain surgeon ben carson in this poll standing at 73%, and behind him ...

And can we get down to what this means. >> you have heard donald trump attacking ben carson who he says is an okay surgeon, and low energy, and jeb bush is low energy, and this is sort of like the -- he is really insulting like their manliness, and that is what it is, the strength. >> and if we picked the presidents on looksk we would have passed up a lot of people, trust me. and besides whenever they did the movies on lincoln, you notice it is not brad pitt or george clooney, and this debate is held in the library, and in the library, you have to keep it quiet, and this is a good for um for b...

A bit of a sexist so she has the new ad out so maybe that will be something. so i think they will just have to see. we didn't see many people attack him in the first debate except for rand paul and chris christie. >> that didn't work out so well. >> exactly. ben carson, what does he do? >> once they get face to face, are they really going to mix it up as much as they have been doing long distance. carly fiorina issued a statement on the stage and say what's wrong with this it face? what a moment that would be. but there are some substantiative u differences. ben carson has been talking about h...

Up, ben carson didn't necessarily attack donald trump, but he strarted attacking ben c carson. ted cruz seems to be the only one who is really off limits and coming out with this idea that maybe -- sorry, our light just went off, the voters who are going to be voting on judgment. we'll find out if donald trump will respond to that today. we saw ted cruz just try to back away from that. but i wouldn't hold your breath. there has been a detente. you have to wonder what sort of talks the two of them might be having behind the scenes about what would happen down the line. >> all right, katy tur wa...