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Standoff, one possibility they're thinking about is limited trump interview plus written answers to questions that special counsel clearly wants to ask about things happening during the president's time in the white house, like obstruction of justice. we know that is something the special counsel has been asking people about. >> is there any indication this will actually work, that mueller is willing to cut a deal, or is this just stuff that the legal team is kind of floating out into the public as a way of, i don't know, influencing something? >> that's a great question. first of all, the ans...

Once in 1995 about his finances, and once in 1998 about his personal life. no one is above the law. this is an incredibly easy case for mueller to win. i think trump has a track record of bending people to his will. he got that white house doctor, who is an admiral, to embarrass himself. get out there and say trump is 230 pounds. trump's left leg is 230 pounds. please, doc. but he's not going to be able to bend mueller to his will. he can try, but he's going to lose, he's going to have to testify, or take the fifth. >> it seems earlier michael zelden was on, kristin, and he kept referring to t...

>> you know all the data of trying to get to the trump campaign any way you could, and they don't care about trump spies, it's russian spies. he must have thought this was better than the lottery. >> this is tainting their view of this entire process. >> you usually does this stuff, you're right, for just that reason. i operate from the premise that he knows a lot more about this case than i do, right, and mueller knows more. i have no idea, but look at the

If he wants to. >> do you think it's smart to play this out publicly like they did? >> sure. can the president be subpoenaed? of course, he can. i was the worst law student in the world and i know. he turned over the tapes that he knew incriminated him. president clinton testified twice in front of ken starr, once about monica lewinsky, once about his personal life. this is an incredibly easy case for mueller to win. i think trump has a track record of bending people to his will. he got that white house doctor, who is an admiral, to embarrass himself. get out there and say trump is 230 pounds....

Everybody is recorded and they have it, transcript of every t, every i that is dotted, so they have it for legal history and legal purposes. joining us now is kirsten power powers. is there any way you think robert mueller would go for this idea, or is it nothing? >> this is more spaghetti they're throwing on the wall and hoping it will stick. i think what they're playing is a game of congressional chicken. mueller is going to want to do it one on one and in person. and if he can't get that, i think he will issue a subpoena. and i think rudy giuliani's team needs to be real careful. because ...