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Receivers of the most animated political critiques at times. but this is much too important for that kind of discussion. this is about restoring fiscal discipline to our country. it's about giving not only our people, but markets confidence that we can live within our means, and america is still the best place to invest to create jobs and to be part of our economic expansion. >> is there a way to save real money in medicare and medicaid without feeling the pain? i know what the president said about the ryan approach, which is a completely different philosophical approach to medicare. it would ...

Spending cuts, what congress is all too likely to do is to say well, rather than that, if we raise taxes then we won't have as much of a deficit and we can avoid the trigger. so it's designed to increase taxes. we've already got the president calling for much high earn er taxes on individual incomes through his obama care legislation. and now this. we don't need to go down the road of raising taxes and that's what this is all about. >> pat toomey laying it out. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. the president the defined benefit program, an attempt to change the social context o...

The opinion shifts. medicare is one of those. this idea of diverting it from a benefit program where you go to the doctor and you're guaranteed certain benefits into a defined contribution program where the government would only guarantee you a check every year to buy private insurance goes back to 1998 first hatched by a commission chair by john breaux. there was not another democrat who endorsed the idea until alice rivlin endorsed a similar plan with ryan. even she has renounced her support given the specifics of the ryan proposal. so this is a big roll of the dice for house republicans. th...

We're doing business in washington, d.c. we're not here to perpetuate the status quo because it's not working. the cuts are important because we need to be on a trajectory to actually maintain the fiscal sanity that is in this country. we want to restrain the explosive growth of bureaucracy achieving a 10% reduction over the next three years in the federal workforce through attrition. coupled with a true pay freeze for the next five years and reform to government workers generous benefit program. we want to end the corporate welfare and perpendicular nant bailout of dodd/frank. we want to take...

Big increase in its authority? >> well, that's what ultimately the national taxpayer advocate thinks. >> part of the irs. >> she's an independent outfit within the irs, she came out with a report last week that said, you know, this is the greatest social benefit program the irs has ever been asked to-- >> really, ever? >> ever been asked to enforce. they're going to need a lot more money, auditing power and agents. >> will they go around and say you didn't buy that health insurance policy so we're going to decide and try to monitor that and whether or not to fine you, is that the idea? >> they...