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Calls, but that our position, the president's position that we, the united states should not and the american people cannot pay a ransom in exchange for congress doing its job remains as true today as it has been throughout this period. >> when you talk about house republicans proposal, are you talking about the proposal that they presented in the meeting yesterday, or are you talking about this new proposal from them that would increase the debt ceiling short-term, also reopen the government and then in exchange, include cuts in benefit programs? >> again, i don't think -- i'm not aware of mu...

Lower than whale manure on the bottom of the ocean. democrats are sitting at 43%. and i think it's pretty clear that the democrats are in a real position of strength here. they just have to realize it. i think that the koch brothers are basically saying drop this obama care thing because the big picture is the big three. this is what we've always wanted to go after the advertisements, the earned benefit programs. republicans think that having a six-week delay that they can swing public opinion against the president, it ain't about the president. it's about people who are sitting home and not w...

Debt ceiling debate. instead they burned through defunding obama care. they burned through delaying obama care and delaying the individual mandate. now they are going to a somewhat bizarre conference strategy. they don't have any new positions to bring out and now they folded on the positions one after the other after the other in the course of a day basically to come out next week and say oh yeah we couldn't face down a shutdown but we are totally willing to do it on the debt ceiling, which is incredible. it seems to be a whole lot less frightening. >> what happens with the big picture in ter...

Anyw anyway. >> and also on the same note, let's not forget about the voter suppression efforts he signed into law and he did sign an executive order requiring social security officers to verify applicants' criminal histories and share that information with law enforcement. this -- there are statewide efforts across the country to sort of, i think, establish a veneer of criminality who depend on social security net benefit programs. texas has approved drug testing for unemployment benefits, kansas has approved drug testing for welfare recipients and florida did approve it, although a judge rul...

About the fact that this is now -- you were able to get nearly 100 republicans voting against it. and it's just, frankly, i think the fact that it's something the obama administration was hiding from the american public. so you're actually getting people breaking from their partisan lines i think for frankly cheap political reasons but at least it's allowing us to have more of a conversation and have people, you know, the sort of libertarian wing -- >> libertarians on each side joining together. >> exactly. let me also say there is a question of the sort of ideological debate. there is the mon...