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The house republicaning went after the administration you serve where it seemed like bad cop, bad cop. there were six benghazi committees. that doesn't mean that's something to automatically echo. i wonder what you think between the legal process and congress being tough. what do you think of the approach? >> it depends on what you think the outcome ought to be. if you think it ought the president not be impeached by the house, you think this division is okay and the speaker slowing the house judiciary committee down is okay but if you want the president to be impeached, what it means is it's ...

>> joining me for our daily fix, chris cillizza and anne guerin who joins me in manchester, new hampshire covering hillary clinton as well. first to you, chris. taking a look at what happened with kevin mccarthy and the benghazi committee, looking ahead to those hearings on october 22nd, how do you think she's framing it now? she is obviously prepared with a very strong response to the committee. >> you got the sense at the end of last week, but it's quite clear from her -- hillary clinton's responses that they believe kevin mccarthy handed them an absolute cudgil to beat republicans up with w...

Everything that i asked to happen, but it's not -- it's not appropriate what they have done from obviously their own admission. >> you have mentioned there have been seven or eight benghazi committees. this is the first to actually discover and find your e-mails. was that a public service? >> no. no. before this whole thing was a big controversy, the state department was looking for information. my e-mails were on the government account. more than 90% of them. the state department was pulling them out. they had been handed over. so look, i have been around this political situation for a long t...

Supporters are pointing to and saying, see, this was a non-troversy, the public doesn't care and a lot of time was wasted on it. >> i have to tell you, i spent most of last week in michigan and detroit and the detroit area. i heard one or two people when i would be out to eat making snarky jokes about hillary and e-mail. i just don't see this as an issue people will vote on if they're not already inclined to dislike hillary clinton. it sort of reminds people of the eye rolling nature of any coverage that has to relate to the clintons, that you get into these worm holes about the personalities ...

Personalities and the things they do. and i think the second thing is it's a remind they are the republicans, despite all of the findings of all of the committees, the myriad benghazi committees, they're not ready to let benghazi go. >> but joy, look benghazi was mitt romney's closing argument in the third debate so you can understand why they want to go back to this. this is a winner for them. all jokes aside, jeremy this was a big story by your paper in "the new york times." your paper has stood by it and said this is an important issue. >> uh-huh. well, i mean it is a problem for what it ev...