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Inevitable but a strong potential candidate who actually can survive the obsession with the e-mails, who can survive the benghazi stuff, and who would actually emerge into the general election pretty strong, the biden balloon starts to leak. and even among people who like him. >> so we also have -- there are some people who seem to my that he's definitely in. gabe sherman has been reporting on this. and gabe's got an interesting take, which is he's already running at a certain level. what he is doing right now -- now, he may decide to not continue to run, but this is a savvy person who's been ...

Committee, the motives behind the work and congressman hanna is not one of them. it must have grabbed you five of you are democrats and he basically cut you out of the action and said you don't know what you are up to. he admitted it is a partisan operation of just majority members. >> i got to tell you i was very surprised to hear that statement because we have four very distinguished members of the congress on this committee. they have been working very hard and i'm just surprised he would say that. i don't know that means. >> maybe the motives are shared by those seven and don't share the m...

>> but i'm also going to be a realist and kind of wish maybe the three that i called the nowhere men decide just to go nuts. >> come in wearing leather and chains. >> chaps. >> or a shirt like mark. >> i'm interested in knowing two things tonight. the coverage i think will be fairly predictable. the perception of the candidates is not going to be predictable. i'm wondering what percentage of people who do view this debate who come away looking at hillary clinton and say, wow, there is a prepared, thorough, knowledgeable candidate. all the benghazi stuff goes out the window. people will see her...

Not of being weak but of basically being a traitor. not defending her own people over there, a friend of hers. letting him die because she was ignoring it. no one has brought evidence that hillary clinton didn't try to save the lives of those people. he said ignored it. >> we need a proper -- >> ignored the calls for -- >> we need a proper investigation of benghazi. they're doing that. we need all those -- >> how many do you want? >> what we don't know is this kind of hyperbole that ruins the whole discussion. >> if i'm not mistaken, mike rogers when he left the house, republican chairman of t...

Of not having the wrong policy, not of being weak but of basically being a traitor. not defending her own people over there, a friend of hers. letting him die because she was ignoring it. no one has brought evidence that hillary clinton didn't try to save the lives of those people. he said ignored it. >> we need a proper -- >> ignored the calls for -- >> we need a proper investigation of benghazi. they're doing that. we need all those -- >> how many do you want? >> what we don't know is this kind of hyperbole that ruins the whole discussion. >> if i'm not mistaken mike rogers when he left the ...