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The second is the democrats stayed out of their own way. they let conor do his own thing as much as possible. it didn't present a problem for us in 2010 when we were able to, yes, have a national message around health care but localized issues on roads and transportation and things like that. >> well, howard, it sounds good in principle, but you and i ran against each other in 2004. in the primaries we joke about you beating me in washington, d.c., i beat you in south carolina, but you went on to be the chairman of the party and i went to the next march. the real question is in 2016 we saw the...

Post-dysfunctional massive organizations, the dnc at the time. it took the disinterest of the sitting president, a guy that raised more money than any person in american history to complete this interest by barack obama, according to done that brazil, leaving the dnc $25 million if debt and then you know the rigging by debbie wasserman schultz that everybody on the bernie side knew was going on at the time. how hard it must have been to get bernie sander's supporters excited about going out and supporting hillary clinton after that. >> well, you know, you saw the result. and you know, step bac...

Point, to say to african-americans, we need to have flexibility on cultural issues to get white working class voters. but bernie sanders is saying, you have to adopt 100% of his platform. there is no flexibility on the bernie side, he's saying you take everything i believe in, period. or i won't deliver these votes. is that fair to voters of color? >> i disagree with that. joy. bernie is not saying you need 100% of our platform. but what i will agree on is, the same people who refuse to change this party and to turn this party into a more progressive party are the same folks who want to decide...

They are both messages of fear and anxiety. that's what we are seeing. >> let's go to john. i agree with that in general. one difference i would have is certainly the left doesn't like wall street. we got that from elizabeth warren, going back to andrew jackson. itis america in its heart. i don't think they blame the mexicans as much as they blame the liberals for their stupid and ridiculously useless immigration policy that doesn't seem to exist anymore. that's why the white guys are angry. it looks like nobody agrees in immigration policy. your view. how do you get people on the bernie side ...

Exploiting workers and profiting from it that you should be angry at. frankly, i think they are both destructive strategies. it's what they are trying to do. bernie wants the anger directed at the wealthy and trump at mexicans, immigrants, isis and others. they are both messages of fear and anxiety. that's what we are seeing. >> let's go to john. i agree with that in general. one difference i would have is certainly the left doesn't like wall street. we got that from elizabeth warren, going back to andrew jackson. itis america in its heart. i don't think they blame the mexicans as much as they...