But not new to city government here. and the contractor there, bert snelling, was a personal friend of yours. >> yes, he was. he started off as a carpenter who worked at our house. he became a friend. we socialized. regrettably, i hadn't seen him in a little while but i found out on social media last night about midnight that he was one of the victims. and i was devastated. >> tell me about him, how did your contractor go to becoming a friend? >> i'll tell you what, he was just such a great guy. he was a consummate professional, did great work. but you know, when somebody is working and you ge...