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I guess i'll just start with -- i set it up there saying it looks like we're heading towards a shutdown here. i know there is a couple of days, i guess, maybe about 40 hours between now and when the deadline would be, and, beth, just is there anything we're missing here, anything that can happen between now and then that you can see that would keep us from going to a shutdown? >> at this point, i feel like the momentum is definitely headed in that direction. it felt completely different, maybe 24, 48 hours ago. it is amazing how quickly these things change. but at this point, it just seems lik...

Really get a detailed plan where it is going to happen. there say reason for that. >> not trying to repeal medicare. >> trying to save it, right. >> that one didn't work. save it. >> right. >> it is one of those, i tend to share what you're saying, i have to admit, i'm thinking back to march 2010 and we're telling people, talk to me in a year or two, and we're still here now saying when is this going to turn around. but it is still survived which is something else. i want to thank beth ryanert, perry bacon jr. and joe conoson. we promised earlier we would show you the dramatic conclusion of "u...

Colleagues and get nothing done in the senate but still will mack you a hero to your party's grassroots, that's a dangerous recipe. >> i don't think that stands the test of time. it may give you the popularity for a day or a week or a month, but i think in terms of ultimately being a victor, running for president, becoming the leading role over marco rubio in the republican party, i don't think -- >> i just want to make a point before we run out of time, i'm bursting. i think what is fascinating here is he made an incursion into the house by trying to undercut the house republican leadership. ...

Democrats. but they can lose their seats to fellow republicans in primaries. so it could be that even if americans do blame a shutdown on the gop, house republicans will still decide that it is in their own personal political self-interest to resist giving in. and, again this is just the shutdown we're talking about here. even if this gets resolved soon, we're still weeks away from facing the exact same impasse over something even more ominous, the debt ceiling. i have to admit, i struggle to see how this can all be resolved. maybe our panel can help me. let's bring them in. for that, we have ...

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