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Railroad to resupply forces and many reporting from these train stations and actual moving trains. they've got river transport. the river that comes down from kyiv to dnipro is going to be hugely significant in the upcoming fight because it's a great way to move a lot of equipment very quickly, a lot of heavy equipment. so the russians know that supply chain is working, they'll do everything they want to do to stop it because they know what's coming up is another race for logistics, between the russians' ability to restore their wounded forces, versus the ukrainians' ability to get their maneu...

Course. it does make it more difficult for him, i think, to stage that false flag operation. if they do begin with a cyberattack, something that turns off the power or something that hits ukrainian communications, it will be harder, i think, for him to deny that this was the russians in the beginning. of course if this turns into kinetic action, what we fear the most, a physical invasion, there's no denning that, but beth had it right when she said he's going to need something to explain the narrative of why he's engaging in such a deadly war of choice. they have to stage something. the more t...

>> yeah, i think smart people on both sides of this debate make some sense, and this is one of those times when i'm really glad i'm not a policy maker having to make these decisions. i tend to personally fall down on the weight because i think if you go and take it totally out of the possibility, it shows putin, like, why not just go ahead and do it since i'm not going to get that anyway? i have a lot of smart friends that feel passionately on the other side, and i like arguing about these things over beer instead of over the policy-making table. i really can't say anymore than that. >> beth, ...

And national security correspondent for "the new york times," and beth sander, the former director. thank you for staying up late. beth, i think you make such a good point, and that is it's critical to note that a russian invasion of ukraine is likely not going to begin with kinetic action, right? what would you expect before a movement further of ground forces? >> well, a lot of people have talked about a big cyberattack being one of the things, but it could really evolve in a much more low kind of low intensity sort of way. the only thing i think is important to understand is that putin stil...

Hear what the chinese have to say as much as the american side, just to see if the tone changes. kylie atwood, grateful for the reporting from the state department. now, our cnn national security analyst, former director of national intelligence, beth sander. let's start there. jake sullivan sittin ting acrose table from his chinese counterpart. what does it tell you that vladimir putin would go to xi jinping to ask for drones to help his military campaign? is it likely or highly unlikely china would decide to get directly involved here? >> well, i think that, as others said, it is embarrass...