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Goals of long standing u.s. policies." that's key. mike quigley asked them both about who's calling the shots that on that regular channel? >> president trump wanted was done as what you described as an irregular channel and the chance to take on ukraine policy, is that correct mr. kent? >> that would be my understanding. >> ambassador? >> exactly. >> all right, with us ron browstein, good evening to all of you. michael, you had some interesting points on this especially democrats were rather in effective. where was that?

To russia interference in 2016 election, denounced by republicans and democrats. sl ron, i want to ask you this question, beyond's michael's point. you have the transcripts and now you have a second phone call of the next day where the president checks into say how is this going on my demand investigation and that according to taylor was his clear focus. >> right, i think what you get and michael israe obviously rig about the in criminating nature of the rough transcript of the white house itself revealed. the key i think ambassador taylor's testimony and all of these other is that was not a o...

Michael said earlier, are you supposed to believe that was rudy giuliani and sondland, the idea kind of explodes upon contact and describing him as a hearsay witness -- >> and the president often describes that. he says what he wants and people do what he wants. >> republicans say not on what we heard. on the first day of testimony, firsthand from eye witnesses' mouth. will republicans be able to drive home that hearsay argument? >> russia and ukraine are at the center of this impeachment inquiry. what do those two countries, citizens there think as they watch all of this takes place in

Who else is there? it does not matter, usually the most attention and it is not an ego thing, you are the most important person in the room because you are the american official. if foreign government gets the idea that really the united states is no difference from any other corrupt society, the president is going to call up and ask for a personal favor? american credibility, look, you guys start to act more democratic and buck up. all of that goes away and vladimir putin is going to say they're no difference of what they are accusing me of. it is adami damming situation ts going to take a wh...

There is a first time for everything if you have decades of public service. bill taylor says he told national security advisor john bolton, he had serious concerns about withholding security aid from ukraine. >> telling him exactly that. and that was the first. >> listen. >> have you sent a cable like that? how many times in your career, 40 or 50 years have you sent a cable directly to the secretary of state? >> once. >> this time in 50 years. >> yes, sir. >> that shows how concerned he was and how urgent he felt the need was. back with us, michael and steve.