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We wonder if she's running again, even though she's telling us straight up she's not, that's on us. we got to listen to her when she says she's not running, which she's not. >> thank you for coming on, my friend. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let me bring in another pal. steve kornacki. it's great to see you live and in the flesh. >> hallie. >> interestingly, cnn spoke with a small panel of democrats. i want to play an interesting exchange not about her but related to somebody else who is considering getting into the race. watch. >> how many of you would like to see joe biden get in? show ...

We're seeing through some of donald trump's cabinet appointments that he is listening to some of the more ideological members of the republican party, tom price for the health and human services secretary, would be one example, but we're also seeing somebody who is pretty pragmatic, rex tillerson at the state department for example, somebody who is a business guy and wants to get deals done in the view of his proponents. he isn't necessarily somebody that's familiar to the ideologues on capitol hill and i think that's something schumer and trump have in common is that kind of personality that ...