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Politics gets in the way of science. i think there's so much cross pressure here, what are they going to do in. >> i don't know the alternative. it's been pretty good politics on the right. >> mandates are only good with compliance. rhode island's governor is contemplating lifting their mandates. a third of the population has had covid. vermont hasn't had a mandate since last june and they're second from the bottom in numbers of infections. mandates have not worked. it's time to get rid of them everywhere. >> let's clarify that. the mandates have not necessarily not worked. because americans a...