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Debate. it is not something that's going away and it will get raised at the debate by the moderators. democrats aren't really interested in this story. rivals aren't interested in attacking joe biden on the story. the biggest lament from democrats about this story is joe biden didn't push back harder against it. they thought it was a missed opportunity how he would take on trump in a general election setting. it took him 14 days to push back hard. >> bill: it seems like the biden side has a strategy. >> now, the reality is this story isn't going away reality he will not be the president or vic...

Nation, and committed impeachable acts. he should be impeached. >> martha: politico, just to give you a sampling out there, says much of the white house staff is paralyzed by democrats' impeachment inquiries as trump directs the trump 2020 teams as the controversy is "jet fuel" for his campaign. and on the biden side, he's slipping in the polls. see this headline in the new republic. joe biden's case for the presidency is collapsing, they write tonight. two people who will disagree with those assessments on both sides, simone sanders sr. advisor to the biden campaign, and lynn patton, close al...

And so this has the smell of corruption in it on boats the trump and biden side. not saying that's the way voters are going to come out. if she's the one with the message that could benefit from what's going on right now, i think warren could push it forward. paul: what about, though, jason, if biden falls, could some of the other moderates, one or two of the other moderates, michael bennett, tim ryan of ohio, break through? >> i don't see that at this point. and here's why. not only is she seeing a rise in the polls, national polls from the early states like iowa, when people are asked who is...

And so this has the smell of corruption in it on boats the trump and biden side. not saying that's the way voters are going to come out. if she's the one with the message that could benefit from what's going on right now, i think warren could push it forward. paul: what about, though, jason, if biden falls, could some of the other moderates, one or two of the other moderates, michael bennett, tim ryan of ohio, break through? >> i don't see that at this point. and here's why. not only is she seeing a rise in the polls, national polls from the early states like iowa, when people are asked who is...

Believe the momentum is toward biden explaining it. what about the momentum toward people like nancy pelosi and others saying it should give you more encouragement in the house to pursue impeachment? >> on the president's side there is no evidence to this point that there was any quid pro quo, that he was demanding some kind of biden inquiry or action in exchange for something. so unless there is, i think it's mainly on the biden side where there will be momentum until he gives a credible explanation for these deals that his son was striking overseas in places he was doing business as vice pre...