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russian forces still occupy europe's biggest nuclear power plant at zaporizhzhia. the situation there remains unstable. my guest, rafael grossi, director general of the international nuclear watchdog, the iaea, has been there in an effort to avert disaster. with zaporizhzhia in mind, why is he pushing for more nuclear power right across the world? thank you, it's good to be with you again, hello. it's great to have you on the show. i think we have to begin with the situation in zaporizhzhia, the huge nuclear power plant in ukraine. you've spent months trying to stabilise the situatio...

silva. now on bbc news, it's time for hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. russia's invasion of ukraine has generated all kinds of shock waves military, humanitarian, economic and nuclear. leave aside putin's dark hints about russia's readiness to contemplate first use of a nuclear weapon, russian forces still occupy europe's biggest nuclear power plant at zaporizhzhia. the situation there remains unstable. my guest, rafael grossi, director general of the international nuclear watchdog, the iaea, has been there in an effort to avert disaster. with zaporizhzhia in mind, ...

You cannot know who and how and how big a shell or an impact a projectile will be. so i would say both, although the external power i continue to believe is the highest of, of the two, yes. right — now, back in september, after you'd made your own visit to zaporizhzhia in the summer, and after you'd installed a permanent small team in the plant, you wrote a report saying that the situation there is, quote, not sustainable. well, here we are in november, and the situation really, by the sound of it, hasn't improved. so frankly, rather than just saying, you know, you're still quite anxious, it...

To power, and all that could do to cooling systems inside the plant? it's all of the above. the cut or the interruption of the power lines, i would say, is more frequent. it's more frequent. therefore, you could say perhaps it's more of a preoccupation in this regard, because, of course, you lose you lose power, you lose cooling capacity. then immediately, you know, emergency generators have to kick in and you don't want to have the largest, biggest nuclear power station in europe functioning in that way. but at the same time, of course, shelling, by definition is unpredictable. you cannot kno...