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Out accidentally in '8and 6 we never put it back in. steve: fascinating, did reagan introduce it? >> preexisted reagan in the early 70s. anyone who wrote a check for or against him got write it off on the taxes, a small check. steve: the political fence thinks about the question of campaign finance reform, is that the liberal thing to stop political speech and it's unconstitutional? >> they don't like the word. daal drain the swamp, if you want. the word isn't important, and have you liberals say it's draining the swamp. no, no, we have a dysfunctional campaign finance system that invites fore...

Chaos is okay and certainly entertaining for people, i think getting things done in government is really hard. i've been there trying to do this. you've got to be on the same page. they are on wildly different pages at the moment. >> this is a man who ran on the platform of being a great manager, great business person and turn it into great companies. the zoo, it's literally been a zoo for the first six months, what i would say is he needs to figure out how to get this under control, and it's not nearly as simple, again, as cleansing the government of his leakers. i'm one of those reporters le...

Steve: shady pay to play donations part of politics for generations, a part of the swamp most people think never will be drained. can a conservative with concerns with campaign finance reform really work? joining me is john putnam. great to see you. we've talked about this many times before. explain to our audience what you think needs to be done to tackle this problem of the big money donors corrupting politics? >> campaign finance can be positive. we want to bring the reagan era tax credits where average person can keep the first 100 bucks they were going to give to the irs and instead pick ...

Entertaining for people, i think getting things done in government is really hard. i've been there trying to do this. you've got to be on the same page. they are on wildly different pages at the moment. >> this is a man who ran on the platform of being a great manager, great business person and turn it into great companies. the zoo, it's literally been a zoo for the first six months, what i would say is he needs to figure out how to get this under control, and it's not nearly as simple, again, as cleansing the government of his leakers. i'm one of those reporters leaked multiple -- on multiple...

Whether president trump can deliver on the promise he talked so much on the campaign trail. steve: very specific example of fulfilling the drain the swamp agenda if he does clamp down on this. >> for sure, this is a great example why big government is such a problem. there are so many problems, spending so much of our taxpayer dollars, it's impossible. this is a complex issue, hard for americans to understand. in your segment. people had no idea what it was, and people want their elected officials to, to hold this money to account, and want to feel like their best interests are at their politi...