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. steve: shady pay to play donations part of politics for generations, a part of the swamp most people think never will be drained. can a conservative with concerns with campaign finance reform really work? joining me is john putnam. great to see you. we've talked about this many times before. explain to our audience what you think needs to be done to tackle this problem of the big money donors corrupting politics? >> campaign finance can be positive. we want to bring the reagan era tax credits where average person can keep the first 100 bucks they were going to give to the irs and instead pic...

I mean, the reason people are leaking in this administration is that president trump has lost the trust of his government across the board. this is not so simple as bring in the mooch, scaramucci, fire a bunch of people and all of a sudden people are not going to leak to the press. he's lost the trust of the government across the board given the style and chaotic nature of the first six months in office, and it's going to be much, much, much more difficult without a dramatic overhaul of management style to turn things. steve: i agree to an extent. it's about the policy agenda, the unity of pur...

Entertaining for people, i think getting things done in government is really hard. i've been there trying to do this. you've got to be on the same page. they are on wildly different pages at the moment. >> this is a man who ran on the platform of being a great manager, great business person and turn it into great companies. the zoo, it's literally been a zoo for the first six months, what i would say is he needs to figure out how to get this under control, and it's not nearly as simple, again, as cleansing the government of his leakers. i'm one of those reporters leaked multiple -- on multiple...

Clear up tax credits and thrown out accidentally in '8and 6 we never put it back in. steve: fascinating, did reagan introduce it? >> preexisted reagan in the early 70s. anyone who wrote a check for or against him got write it off on the taxes, a small check. steve: the political fence thinks about the question of campaign finance reform, is that the liberal thing to stop political speech and it's unconstitutional? >> they don't like the word. daal drain the swamp, if you want. the word isn't important, and have you liberals say it's draining the swamp. no, no, we have a dysfunctional campaign ...

There was an omnibus measure to clear up tax credits and thrown out accidentally in '8and 6 we never put it back in. steve: fascinating, did reagan introduce it? >> preexisted reagan in the early 70s. anyone who wrote a check for or against him got write it off on the taxes, a small check. steve: the political fence thinks about the question of campaign finance reform, is that the liberal thing to stop political speech and it's unconstitutional? >> they don't like the word. daal drain the swamp, if you want. the word isn't important, and have you liberals say it's draining the swamp. no, no, w...