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That's the fact of the matter. the biggest misconception is that businesses don't want to pay more than the minimum wage because they are cheap. that is not the case. most of the businesses that hire minimum wage workers are trying to stay in business. they would love to pay them more -- >> herman, it's one thing to go to mcdonald's and -- but the fact of the matter is, these are all franchise type operations. >> yes. >> it's the franchiseees who are not these big behemoths. it's down to actually hundreds of thousands of small enterprises that are responsible for these workers. right? >> that'...

Remove trade barriers on movies from china. >> why have they stayed away from that traditionally? why have all these stars not focused on issues important to their own industry? >> well, it's almost a source of pride. you do have a lot of good government types within the industry who see it as a little bit unseemly to bring up what they consider lobbyist issues. and, as well, you know, you have to consider the fact that there aren't a huge amount of pressing issues that actually come before congress that they're going to have a big impact on hollywood itself. so they naturally turn to their ow...