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Republic. the plan i have put down, the douglas plan, is as ambitious as the marshall plan to rebuild europe. but this time right here at home and it's for the purpose of tearing down systemic racism. >> because he's gay? >> well, that's a generational issue. i know of a lot of people my age who feel that way. but i will say this, dana. my own grandson who is 20 -- i think he is 25 years old. that guy is a big buttigieg guy. and of course he does it because he believes in the guy, not because he's gay. >> are you saying for older african-americans, it is an issue? >> yes, it is, there is no qu...

With the name recognition, as you said, he, by definition, was going to get some black support. nobody can say that about mayor pete buttigieg yet. that is his biggest problem. i just want to look back. actually barack obama was not doing well with black voters early on. >> no, no, i agree. but he didn't have zero. >> but i think to mike's point, you know, it takes time to earn voters' trust, but it especially takes time to earn the trust of black voters because of the history of repression. and the number one priority of black voters in this country is to beat trump. so they will be voting fo...

Matter how passionate their supporters may be, i mean, andrew yang's supporters are extremely passionate. bernie sanders especially so for sure. elizabeth warren. there seems to be at the moment a cap on the amount of support that any of these democrats have won. so the question is really who can build a broader tent? who can speak beyond their immediate base and welcome more democratic voters in? and that's what i am looking for. teed us off perfectly to talk about one of the challenges mayor pete buttigieg has had, which is to try to bring in a broader coalition, specifically trying to bring...

You see it there on your screen. 53% of americans approve of the impeachment inquiry as we were just suggesting. that includes 89% of democrats. more than half of independents. but as beth was saying, it hasn't par layed into a strong number of republicans. only about 9% believe so. the president's approval rating remains more or less where it generally has been, 45%. his marks for his handling of the economy still among his highest. here's an interesting nugget about one of the president's closest men, rudy giuliani once polling at 84% in popularity after the september 11th attacks. he was am...

With black voters in your state of south carolina because he's gay? >> well, that is a generational issue. i know of a lot of people my age who feel that way. but i will say this, dana. my own grandson who is 20 -- i think it 25 years old, that guy is a big buttigieg guy. and of course he does it because he believes in the guy. not because he's gay. my grandson -- >> but for older african-americans it is an issue? >> i'm sorry? >> are you saying for older african-americans it is an issue? >> yes, it is. there is no question about that. i'm not going to sit here and tell you otherwise. because ...