MSNBC Meet the Press September 13, 2021 08:56:00
Normally as a people, and we don't want to be that. we don't want wartime to be normal in the united states, particularly a low simmering, low intensity war from non-state actors. it's a very different thing. just as in the pandemic we're saying there are some things that just can't be done to fight even something as serious as a pandemic, the united states had to come to terms with the fact that there are some ways of fighting terrorism that are unacceptable. surveillance, for example, data gathering. one of the things that happened in this last 20 years is this. this came along in 2007. this...
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