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Say they may begin using the democratic party in his phrase, the way the irish used it to pull themselves up by their own boot straps. as a republican, he does not see a place for blacks in his party. >> that last sentence is pretty intense. joan, you basically had just written a book about this moment in american politics and what is your understanding of how this transformation happened? >> well, it's really interesting because the other part of what kevin philips winds up saying, although he says the cities don't matter in that interview -- >> the big decaying cities. >> he's from the bronx...

Who hated each other. the southern strategy. i just want to cue up. this is kevin philips who is one of the masterminds of what we call, republican strategist for nixon, 1976 and he is talking about his vision for the future of the republican party, take a look. >> everybody knows about the division of the north and the south, school boys learn that georgia and vermont were democratic. >> would you describe what you call the sun belt. >> the sunbelt is a demographic and political phenomenon which has become extremely important since world war ii. basically a function of a large migration of th...