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What i send you there to do. this is an unpopular agenda at a time of record inequality. >> george w. bush passed his tax cut with -- max baucusbaucus, his partner i congress. i have to disagree with shawn. i don't like to disagree with john about republicans because he knows them better than i do but i look at jeff flake and think -- jeff flake is a guy who doesn't want a giant government and doesn't like big deficits. he's now liberated politically. i think on principle you look at this bill and say giant tax breaks for rich people and a huge ballooning $1.5 trillion. a giant expansion of th...

Expansionary fiscal policy. there will be a big tax cut, that's obvious. a lot of spending. both on domestic infrastructure and the military. the deficit will expand. that's why there's a shock, at the same time, the stock markets are going up, bond markets are tumbling. republicans are going to run big, big deficits. you've seen this interestingly enough in other countries with conservatives and after the brexit vote, teresa may. again, fiscally expansionary. >> your latest article, you talk about whether or not can republicans contain trump and you noted that what happens next to the america...

Right why not do it weeks ago, why not do it months ago, why yesterday? >> i have a theory on this. the president is happy to have a conversation about this rather than about the economy. remember today we have a new jobs number out, 387,000 americans filed first-time claims for unemployment. the president would much rather talk about a fight with the republicans in the house of representatives over something that is sort of hard for people to get attention to and to which the mainstream media has given no attention. over the last year, nbc devoted 10 seconds in their evening broadcast to a, t...

With another reporter. >> okay. isue sasa says he's looking int. let's ask you about joe's column today. you are a wisconsin guy. joe writes about the idea of being wisconsin nice. fill us in. >> well, it's an interesting take on all the -- where the power is coming from. wisconsin right now, you have governor walker in a showdown with labor unions. you have the republican national committee. you have paul ryan, a congressman who is at the forefront at efforts to cut spending. you have one of the newcomers trying to cut spending, ron johnson. this is probably a good thing for the republican pa...