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Not think that the actual causal mechanism works, that the system functions well enough that i person says i'm going to do this for and you then they can go and do it, then you're off the hook to vote for a guy like trump. >> but this didn't start with donald trump. ronald reagan in his first inaugural address said government isn't the solution, it's the problem. and that began a 30-year effort mostly by republicans but some democrats played into it too to separate politics from government. government is this big evil alien thing, politics is what you do for fun. and until you put the two of t...

You'd say john kerry supports a raise in minimum wage. they were looking at you like you were saying a politician was going to end winter. or he was going to just give you three more bedrooms. >> howard dean -- >> this was after the primaries. my point, though, is to katy's point. if a citizen and a voter does not think that the actual causal mechanism works, that the system functions well enough that i person says i'm going to do this for and you then they can go and do it, then you're off the hook to vote for a guy like trump. >> but this didn't start with donald trump. ronald reagan in his ...

What do you care about? and they would say i care about minimum wage. you'd say john kerry supports a raise in minimum wage. they were looking at you like you were saying a politician was going to end winter. or he was going to just give you three more bedrooms. >> howard dean -- >> this was after the primaries. my point, though, is to katy's point. if a citizen and a voter does not think that the actual causal mechanism works, that the system functions well enough that i person says i'm going to do this for and you then they can go and do it, then you're off the hook to vote for a guy like tr...