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That his pocket was tied to his participation, especially in russia. >> we have to be able to go in and talk to people and have a dialogue. that's the thing that we're going to have with tillerson. someone who can go in and understand what it's like to work with finance ministers, someone who can go in and understand what it's like to work with different leaders. a country doesn't necessarily have to be our best ally. that doesn't mean they have to be our enemy from day one. that's the type of relationship tillerson will bring. >> so why didn't you pick rudy giuliani? he travels all over the w...

Have the big exxon. >> are you saying this chases them out? >> it has in the past. look at puerto rico. what did the new governor do in puerto rico to make it worse? a big story in "the new york times," which maybe mr. deblast you're doesn't read "the new york times." >> i think that's safe to say. >> let's hope the read his story about how the middle class are running out of puerto rico because of the high taxes. the map debts on businesses -- mandate on business. it's a desperate situation because -- and high crime. and think about what this guy railed against to get him into office heavily ...