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Damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in business at 21? >> thomas: exactly. >> anthony: quite an accomplishment. >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: you didn't go to college? >> thomas: i did...

Definition of hack. it's actually a very positive word, but it became a very negative word. >> anthony: right. >> thomas: so, the word hacker is to describe the people who are really, uh, they really like programming. and as i said, they love to share information, just like cooking. you love to share recipes to other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. ...

And i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in business at 21? >> thomas: exactly. >> anthony: quite an accomplishment. >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: you didn't go to college? >> thomas: i didn't go to the college. >> anthony: why not? >> thomas: most professors are way ...

Breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in business at 21? >> thomas: exactly. >> anthony: quite an accomplishment. >> tho...

You love to share recipes to other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our ...