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here he is unsparing in his rejection of trump and giuliani's election fraud delusions. >> i told them that the stuff that his people were shoveling out to the public was bull [ bleep ]. that the claims of fraud were bull [ bleep ], and you know, made a statement about that, but i reiterated that they wasted a whole month on these claims on the dominion voting machines and they were idiotic claims. i specifically raised a dominion voting machines which i found to be among the most disturbing allegations and disturbing in the sense that i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations,...

Charge. >> or as the january 6th committee put it, the big ripoff. >> yeah, so thate reporting wa before these three statutes sort of leaked out on the letter and wire fraud was not one of them. of course there could be a superseding indictment that would bring this into play, so doesn't mean there never will be.n' we do know early in jack smith's investigation they were issuing subpoenase and questioning witnesses about the fund raising by trump's pack. they raised over $250 million from trump supporters, from donors told this is s going to tos a legal defense fund that' going toef fight elec...

Timothy P. Carney is the senior political columnist at the Washington Examiner and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He is the author of Alienated America: Why Some Places Thrive While Others Collapse, The Big Ripoff, and Obamanomics.

Which was pretty ambitious some people might try to steal an election and leave it there, but not donald trump at the second january 6th hearing in congress back in june representative zoe lofgren made it a point to highlight trump's strategy she called it the big ripoff >> president trump used the lies he told to raise millions of dollars through the american people throughout the investigation we found evidence the trump campaign and its surrogates misled donors as to where their funds would go and what they would be used for. so not only was there the big lie, there was the big ripoff. >> w...

And organizations that were fundraising off the stop the steal, they may be looking into what zoe lofgren referred to as the big ripoff. only now are they asking for these documents? it seems there's quite a bit of investigation left to go if they're just now requesting the documents because then they have to review them, analyze them, and interview or call to the grand jury the witnesses that that he could be asking questions about those things. so it makes it appear to me that an indictment is still many weeks, if not months away. >> you know, katty kay, there are a lot of people, and i have...