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That's out there, and basically, who's going out with each other and things like that. so i don't think we can say that we are as innocent as we'd like to be. 0k. i mean, miles coleman, joey there was talking about some of the great reporting that's been done, not least the sunday times stuff. there was also the guardian trying to establish how many migrant workers had died during this period of building the stadiums. you're the producer and writer of this new documentary about fifa. what is your take on what klopp said aboutjournalism? i think on the one hand, if we look at the climate in 200...

So, to some extent, not a ton was being written about them j because everyone looked at that bid and went, "well, _ surely they're not - going to go for that." when they did, there - was obviously kind of a big shockwave and people, you know, went and . reported on it more. that's naturally how. things go in reporting. but i think the important thing to to focus on with| the klopp comments is let's take the counterfactual. - let's imagine that people had published reams and reams l of paper saying how dangerous the qatar world cup _ would be for workers, i how impractical it'd be. let's imagin...

When they did, there was obviously kind of- a big shockwave and people, you know. _ went and reported on it more. that's naturally how. things go in reporting. but i think the important thing to to focus on with| the klopp comments is let's take the counterfactual. - let's imagine that people had published reams and reams l of paper saying how dangerous the qatar world cup _ would be for workers, i how impractical it'd be. let's imagine that there - was just hours of of air time and millions of column inches devoted to it. . it wouldn't have madei a blind bit of difference because the 22 men â...

Were being evaluated, | like nobody took qatar particularly seriously l the qataris_ admit them themselves. so, to some extent, not a ton was being written about them j because everyone looked at that bid and went, _ "well, surely they're not going to go for that." . when they did, there was obviously kind of- a big shockwave and people, you know. _ went and reported on it more. that's naturally how. things go in reporting. but i think the important thing to to focus on with| the klopp comments is let's take the counterfactual. - let's imagine that people had published reams and reams l of pap...

For in terms of the journalism that's out there, and basically, who's going out with each other and things like that. so i don't think we can say that we are as innocent as we'd like to be. 0k. i mean, miles coleman, joey there was talking about some of the great reporting that's been done, not least the sunday times stuff. there was also the guardian trying to establish how many migrant workers had died during this period of building the stadiums. you're the producer and writer of this new documentary about fifa. what is your take on what klopp said aboutjournalism? i think on the one hand, i...