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Elected. it is trying to hold onto its power. elitists commentators have mocked talk of the deep state as conspiracy mongering. now, we know it exists. this is nothing new. i was struck by this exchange on cnn this morning. >> there are people inside the administration that think it is their job to save america from this president. that is not their job. their job is to inject this president into america p1 how do you explain the fact that they think it's their job to protect their country from president trump? >> jon: p1 jake trapper was one of the best commentators in america but that's one ...

Fraction of its size. >> i agree. growing up there's three branches of government. it's not questions are challenged when really there is for. the fourth branch is what you describe. they are unelected, unknown and have a unlimited power. there the biggest branch of government which is the deep state. no one knows who they are. there is no accountability. they can terminate said business overnight with regulation, to put forth whatever agenda. what's interesting is the lack of transparency around this. we should have every dime of federal spending online and on time. we are the board of direct...

Whatever. i like that part. let's push it out to the people and have them manage the process. and also pay people well. >> president trump just canceled, there are a lot of federal employees that work outside and he canceled the pay raise for all of them. >> steve: you are going to get far fewer of them and pay them more. you get treated like a business, a lot more ideas. that is just one that i have in my new book. see the rest by buying positive populism. you can buy it on amazon or popular populism.org. up next, many people are fired about silicon valley. what can we do about big tech power...

Op-ed writer. we need to on mark all of them. on mark the deep state itself. that's one of the ideas in my new book, positive populism. let's publish the name and job descriptions, let's publish the civil service, let's see the whole thing. the reason the deep state winces they wear down the elected politicians. they overwhelm them with paperwork and process on bureaucracy. i have seen it firsthand. you can't reform it, you have to get rid of it. we start by unmasking the deep state, we can see how much of it so work needs doing. how much can be sent to state local governments and how much can...

Fraction of its size. >> i agree. growing up there's three branches of government. it's not questions are challenged when really there is for. the fourth branch is what you describe. they are unelected, unknown and have a unlimited power. there the biggest branch of government which is the deep state. no one knows who they are. there is no accountability. they can terminate said business overnight with regulation, to put forth whatever agenda. what's interesting is the lack of transparency around this. we should have every dime of federal spending online and on time. we are the board of direct...