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And the navy doesn't yet know or they're not yet reporting the number of people injured. is that just a precaution, they want to be sure they're reporting it accurately, or does it seem strange to you that they wouldn't know the number this far out from the shooting? >> well, it's chaos on these things when you get there. i mean, just like you experience as a journalist, you experience the same thing when you're a commander there, it's chaos. you don't know where everybody was shot. you're trying to gather that information. you have a lot of people on the ground in an area in front of you wher...