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Kind of debris. >> matt. i'm sorry. i'm talking to a police officer here. he says, yes, he heard it was a plane. >> does he skr information about what kind of a plane it was or can he tell us more details? >> i'm going to put you on hold for one moment, okay. >> just to recap, if you're just joining us, you're looking at dramatic pictures of new york's world trade center in lower manhattan where a short time ago, we're told that a plane crashed into the upper floors of the western most tower. you can see a gaping hole. that is on the north side of the building. and you can see residual damage ...

And then obviously, nobody knows exactly who was at the controls of the plane, but it broke off its route from, to las vegas, and was headed to jfk. that was the initial information that officials had received when obviously, it did not go to jfk but veered off and headed toward the world trade center. again, no indication as to who may be responsible or who was at the controls of that plane when it rammed into the world trade center, matt. >> thank you. we're going to be obviously talking with you throughout the morning. but right now, we want to talk with larry johnson, a terrorism expert, t...

Necessarily terrorism. i would be inclined based upon the preliminary reports we have seen to say that's the case. but there's always the possibility that you may find out after the fact that this was some suicide pact for some reason that had nothing to do with politics. that said, this is a first. back in 1992, there was -- excuse me, '93, there was a plane hijacked from germany. it ended up landing in new york. one of the concerns we had at that time was the possibility of that plane under the control of a hijacker, flying it into one of the buildings. so my concern now is that there's alwa...

Of the 2013 murra and the federal building. >> i would guess everyone is up on the time zones of america. it's 7:45 a.m. those joining me from 7:42. another plane hit the other one, that building has now collapsed. within an hour of those two attacks, the pentagon was hit, now we're told, by a plane and an untold emergency of casualty believes that, carefully coordinat coordinated. the effect on human loss, especially in this country, are still to be determined. >> we want to go with kathleen.

Two fairly contained craters before and now it appears that something bad happened to at least one of those towers. >> these pictures are beyond belief. >> we have reports that the second plane might have. the first one was apparently an american airlines flight from boston to los angeles. we're now seeing it from the harborview, this continuing damage and destruction to the world trade center. jamie may have more information for it. >> speaking to high intelligence, it does appear at the pentagon it was a plane. they believe now a third plane was involved at the pentagon. >> of course, this h...