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Courting of joseph from l rs who voted for the bill the first time last fall. and has been a public no, publicly opposed to the bill sips the beginning of the year. because of the abortion. he has problems with the abortion language. they courted him yesterday and they courted him potentially again today, trying to flip him. you don't go after somebody who is a public no in that way and who is a no on reasons of moral principle because he is pro life. unless you really think that you need the votes. so i think the fact that they are going after him and trying to flip him suggest that they know...

Splits inside these interest groups. i mean, you saw the nuns in the catholic hospitals go against the bishops. thought national council of la rose za going against the caucus. the president has convinced me. he cares about immigration reform. the problem la raza has they were house bill they allowed illegal immigrants buy own insurance with exchanges. they won't get subsidies. the senate bill doesn't allow that. gutierrez doesn't like. the president convinced him to come on board anyway. i don't think at this point la raza is going to necessarily switch a lot of hispanic votes back to no. i d...

Advantage. >> they will continue to ram, ram, ram this bill through the congress. every kind of scheme known to man to try to get it through the congress without a vote. >> reporter: the latest estimated house whip count stands at 214 votes for or leaning for the bill. 217 bills against it or leaning against it. the measure would be defeated. but even if democrats come up with enough votes for passage there is an additional hurdle to clear. already the chairman of the senate budget committee kent conrad said that it's entirely likely the senate will want to change the reconciliation bill, mean...