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Washington think tank where he was speaking at an event. >> will it hold the data of american citizens? >> no, we don't hold data on u.s. citizens. the people there at nsa. they take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing they do in securing this nation. and so when people just throw out they will have all this stuff at utah data center that is baloney. i will not say here is what we are doing at utah. that would be ridiculous, too, because it would give our adversaries a tremendous advantage and we are not going to do that. >> binney says this is not about the...

Was indicted on five counts of espionage. the government dropped the charges for him to plead guilty to a single misdemeanor of misusing a government computer. >> i continue to believe it was effective. it was lawful and it was appropriate. >> as the director of the nsa from 1999 to 2005 general michael hayden was drake and binney's boss. >> they may have a different view, god bless them, this is america, have a different view. i think it made america safe during a period of great danger. >> hayden says binney and drake were wrong, uninformed when they said the program was illegal. apparently ...

Washington think tank where he was speaking at an event. >> will it hold the data of american citizens? >> no, we don't hold data on u.s. citizens. the people there at nsa. they take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing they do in securing this nation. and so when people just throw out they will have all this stuff at utah data center that is baloney. i will not say here is what we are doing at utah. that would be ridiculous, too, because it would give our adversaries a tremendous advantage and we are not going to do that. >> binney says this is not about the...

Billing data records of peopnig people in the united states. my estimate was they were collecting on the order of 3 billion a day. >> 3 billion phone records. >> just internal to the country. >> in simple terms nsa is spying on americans inseidenberg of this country. >> that's correct. >> binney thought it was wrong and quit in protest. someone leaked the sore storery to the "new york times" which exposed it in 2005. in 2007 the nsa officially discontinued the program. the same year suspecting he was a source for the new york times leaks the fbi raided bill binney's home. >> my son answered th...

Washington think tank where he was speaking at an event. >> will it hold the data of american citizens? >> no, we don't hold data on u.s. citizens. the people there at nsa. they take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing they do in securing this nation. and so when people just throw out they will have all this stuff at utah data center that is baloney. i will not say here is what we are doing at utah. that would be ridiculous, too, because it would give our adversaries a tremendous advantage and we are not going to do that. >> binney says this is not about the...