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Talk about what police can do, because, you know, that phrase "defund the police," the facts show that it wasn't very helpful in winning over allies to that side. it quickly turned political, making it difficult to focus on actual police reform. are there tasks that police have been asked to do that should be handled or could be handled by other public servants, commissioner? >> sure. i talk about this extensively in the book you referenced at the beginning of the show, in the profession of 50 years of dealing with this, i started dealing with it in the 1970s when we deinstitutionalized the me...

Streets largely made up of the mentally ill and recently released prisoners out of our jails and prisons, creating a very disturbing sense of unease for the public in the subways and on the streets, and we are moving forward with criminal justice reform, some of which is necessary. but a lot of it is really too much too soon, a bridge too far, if you will. >> commissioner, we want to have you back. it's a very important conversation and we appreciate you joining us this time. the book again is "the profession: a memoir of policing, race and the arc in america." it's been four months since "t...

"insurrection". crimes surging all across america, amid calling police reform and defunding police departments. i am going to talk to commissioner bill bradon. and former republican congressman, good evening, i appreciate you joining. jim, president biden talks on infrastructure just collapsed and the white house pinning its hopes on a different bipartisan group. schumer indicating he's prepared to go alone. what's the reality check here? >> well, the reality check is they're going to have to move forward and get a non-partisan bill, bill of just democrats moving and continue to negotiate wi...