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>> he's going to make his decision. mine will be totally independent of what the vice president does. i've always been a fan of joe bid biden's. i hope he gets in the race. the more the measurrier, i thin it's good for democracy. we're going to beat him because we're going to have a positive realistic agenda. people want results. they want people to get things done. what did people want for governor in virginia? a tough economy, rebuilt it. i inherited a huge deficit, left a big sur plplus. that's what people want. >> i have to get things done, too. i want to pay my bills. thanks, governor. be...

Realism. that's what america is yearning for. he owns this shutdown we have today. i remind you, kate, that we have 800,000 people. they now can't pay their rent, can't buy their groceries. we have a lot in virginia. i met a woman last night and she said, governor, i'm broke. i have no money. this was created by donald trump -- and i hope we get it resolved. he's a very emotional, unstable man. i think one of his mood swings, hopefully he moves the other way. we need to reopen the government and then have a real honest discussion on border security. but he owns this shutdown. he is in a real p...

Already? joining me now to discuss the race for 2020 nomination is another possible contender, former governor bill mcauliffe. governor, thank you for coming in. >> kate, happy new year. >> thank you very much. pardon my cough and my cough drop. regardless, let's move on. you laid out what you think democrats need to do to beat donald trump in 2020. you laid that out very clearly in your view in the "washington post." one line in it reads as follows. negativity is playing on trump's turf. the reality show star will always win that race to the bottom. so essentially you're saying don't get in t...

We've gotten done in virginia, we stopped the republicans from shutting the planned parenthood clinics down. i've restored more felon rights than any other governor in history. number one state for cyber, number one state for data. we invested a record amount for education. we need to put out real ideas of where we think this country needs to go and how we're going to get there. my only point is we can't be making false claims to get in the pigpen with donald trump who makes false accusations. he is a lying populist. that is what he is. he says things he thinks people want to hear but no chanc...